stanza 6, slokas 5-6

Stanza VI, Sloka 5-6
5. At the fourth, the sons are told to create their images. One third refuses – to obey.
The curse is pronounced; they will be born on the fourth suffer and cause suffering; this is the first war.
6. The older wheels rotated downwards and upwards….The mother’s spawn filled the whole. There were battles fought between the Creators and the Destroyers, and battles fought for space; the seed appearing and re-appearing continuously.


“Mr. B. Keightley:  Then further on you compare the cosmogony of the old Gnostics with that of the “Secret Doctrine”, and you speak about the “Seven Stellars”.

Question 2, page 195:   The “Seven Stellars”, being the product of the Astral Light and blind Matter, must be evil. Is, then, the influence of the seven planets all evil as far as man is concerned?

Mme. Blavatsky:  I do not think so. Why should you go and insult the poor planets? The term planets here does not refer to the seven sacred planets at all, but means simply they are planetary bodies within our system. If the expression is erroneous or leads to any equivocation, in the second edition you have only to make a mark there and change it. But this is what it means.

The seven bad Stellars are the progeny of Saturn and the Moon. That is to say, corruptness in the Nazarenes representing in one sense blind, frantic matter ever devouring its own progeny, is identical with Saturn; while [   ], the mother of that [   ], in the Nazarenes is the Moon, at the same time that she is the lower Astral Light.

Some mystics assert that these seven bad Stellars are represented by seven moons, though there are eight. There is an old Coptic legend which related how the mother, or the Moon, after her union and junction with her son, Saturn, in order to prevent him from devouring his own children cast him down onto earth, where they became the seven capital sons.

It is they who are credited with the building of everything material on the Earth. Even western astrologers are familiar with the evil effects of the junction of Saturn with the Moon. Now, Mr. Old, tell us something about that. In what way is it bad?

Mr. Old:  It has so many renderings, and the influences are so various, it depends entirely upon the radical tendency to take that particular form of evil – as for instance, the corrupt tendencies at birth, which you understand is nothing less than the Karmic horoscope.

If the tendency were towards martial or inflammatory evils and diseases and rash precipitous forms of mind, then of course they would not come in the same degree under the influence of Saturn. But if you were predisposed to melancholia and so catch cold and suffer all those evils which arise out of adjustion {adjustment} and contraction, frigidity, then you would come remarkably under the influence of Saturn at the time of this junction and according to the position in your own Karmic Map, then you would suffer accordingly.

So that you see it depends entirely upon the angular distance with respect to the space of birth, and then also the sign of the zodiac from which it transpires.

Mme. Blavatsky: In astrology I believe there are many good things, only somehow or other they do not reckon as we do. Of course it comes to the same results; but there is a difference.

Mr. B. Keightley:  Saturn is regarded in astrology as the most evil-producing of all the planets.

Mr. Old:  Certainly, and at the same time, you know, it has been said that the origin of the name is [   ], the pure fire. So that he has a reverse aspect also; whereas he is the great evil, he is also the great good, in this sense.

Mme. Blavatsky:  Just like the Hindu Shiva, he is destructive because he is the regenerative power; because a seed cannot come to life unless it first perishes, he destroys only to regenerate.”

H. P. Blavatsky

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