4. He builds them in the likeness of older wheels, placing them on the Imperishable Centres.
How does Fohat build them? He collects the fiery dust. He makes balls of fire, runs through them, and round them, infusing life thereinto, then sets them into motion; some one way, some the other way. They are cold, he makes them hot. They are dry, he makes them moist. They shine, he fans and cools them. Thus acts Fohat from one twilight to the other, during Seven Eternities.”
“Mr. Kingsland: There is another question relating to the same thing.
Mr. B. Keightley: Yes. Question 1 (b). For instance, take a piece of iron, this is perceived by us on this plane as iron. It is perceived by a consciousness acting on other planes as something else than iron, or is it absolutely non-perceptible?
Mme. Blavatsky: Now, how can it be? Most assuredly, there cannot be the same piece of iron for every plane; otherwise, why should we not perceive as easily beings from every other plane, and they us? I mean the globes of the planetary chains. Or why should the globes of our chain be concealed from us?
The usual way of measuring the spiritual development of an adept among the disciples is to ask what plane of consciousness or perception he has reached; and this perception embraces the physical as well as the spiritual.
This is the thing when you want to know what degree an adept belongs to, how far he has developed; what plane of perception is his. That is a kind of Masonic formula; but how can we see a piece of iron in the same way?
Mr. Kingsland: Not in the same way, but in a different way. What I wanted to elucidate was in reference to Laya centres, which we had before. You stated there are seven relative Laya centres – that is to say, corresponding to the transition from one plane to the other.
Mme. Blavatsky: So there are, on every one of the seven planes, only, of course, the Laya centre is Laya in accordance with the perception of that plane; that is to say that our plane being the grosser, the Laya point which exists for us would perhaps, be there no Laya point at all, and would be something a great deal more gross and perceptible.
The Laya point is, of course, more refined on the following plane, and so on.
Mr. Kingsland: Then we may say that on the next plane, for instance, the iron is non-existent.
Mme. Blavatsky: Absolutely non-existent in the shape in which we see it here, because their perception is quite a different kind of perception. No comparison can be established.
Mr. Kingsland: But is it not perceived as something else?
Mme. Blavatsky: It may be, but I cannot tell you what.
Mr. B. Keightley: It would be translated into the terms of our consciousness.
Mme. Blavatsky: Matter is matter, and substance is substance, but it takes such various forms that certainly, that which would appear iron to us, may appear gooseberry jam on the other plane.
Mr. B. Keightley: It must exist on every plane, because we know the smallest atom existed on every one of the seven planes.
Mme. Blavatsky: But it exists in an atomic scattered condition. Once that you suppose a thing may fall from one planet to another, passing through the atmosphere of our Earth it would change chemically all its constituent parts. It would become quite a different thing. It would become a thing of this plane; in fact, we could not see it if it didn’t.”
Mr. Kingsland: In fact, it exists, as substance but not as matter.
Mme. Blavatsky: Perfectly. And not as definite form, or the definite form that it takes on our plane; it is quite a different story.”
H. P. Blavatsky