stanza 3, slokas 10-11

Stanza III
10. Father-Mother spin a web whose upper end is fastened to spirit—the light of the one darkness—and the lower one to its shadowy end, matter; and this web is the universe spun out of the two substances made in one, which is Svâbhâvat.
11. It expands when the breath of fire is upon it; it contracts when the breath of the mother touches it. Then the sons dissociate and scatter, to return into their mother’s bosom at the end of the great day, and re-become one with her; when it is cooling it becomes radiant, and the sons expand and contract through their own selves and hearts; they embrace infinitude.

 

 

“Mr. A. Keightley:  In Stanza 3, Sloka 10, it is said: “Brahma as ‘the germ of unknown darkness’ is the material from which all evolves and develops.” Goethe is quoted as expressing the same idea in the lines  “Thus at the roaring loom of Time I ply, and weave for God the garment thou see’st him by.”  It is one of the axioms of logic that it is impossible for the mind to believe anything of that of which it comprehends nothing.

 
Now, if this “material” above mentioned, which is Brahma, be formless, then no idea concerning it can enter the mind, for the mind can perceive nothing where there is no form. It is the “garment” or the manifestation in form of God which we see or perceive, and it is by this and this alone that we can know anything of him.

 
Question 2:  What is the first form of this material which human consciousness can recognize?

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Well, do you direct the question psychically or physiologically, or as a question coming from materialistic science, physical science.

 
Dr. Williams:  Purely as a question of no significance to me, whatever “materialists” or any sect believe. I use the word “materialists” in quotation points, desiring you to use the word just as you did in your own sense.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  In my sense I would not pay the slightest attention to materialistic science. I do not believe in this materialistic science. I say they are very great in small details, but on the whole they do not satisfy anyone.

 
Dr. Williams:  I don’t use the word material in the sense in which Huxley uses it, or any of those.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  I want you to say in what sense you use it. I say the first sense in which we can imagine matter, or that which is in our conception of matter, that is to say, the most refined of all, the mother as we call it, the primordial.

 
I will say it is a circle, because in all the occult books, in all the teachings and philosophies, it is impossible to imagine one’s self any other first form than that of a circle. It is impossible in the Aristotelian logic, it would be a {   } of that; but as we deal with metaphysics, and from the standpoint of the adepts in the occult sciences, then I must answer you just as occultism says.

 
If you take, for instance, in the physical science, we will say the first geometrical figure is a triangle, but this is on the manifested plane, it is not in the world of abstraction. The first thing you see is certainly a circle.

 
Now this circle you can either limit or take it just according to the capacities of your conceptions and of your intuition, and you can make it limitless, all depends upon your powers of conceiving things.

 
You can expand it ad infinitum, make of it a limitless circle – not only in words, in which you will say a circle is something, the circumference is everywhere and so on, you know the well-known saying – but I don’t use any other figure than that. Does that satisfy you?

 
They make us conceive of a circle first of all, and this circle which is all, and embraces all and has no plane.

 
Let us imagine something that is – well, as large as we can imagine it – and you might expand and extend ad infinitum. If we contract it to our conception, it is because we want to make it conceivable to the finite intellect.”

 
H. P. Blavatsky

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