stanza 2, slokas 1-2

STANZA II.
1. . . . Where were the builders, the luminous sons of Manvantaric dawn? . . . In the unknown darkness in their Ah-hi Paranishpanna. The producers of form from no-form—the root of the world—the Devamatri and Svâbhâvat, rested in the bliss of non-being.
2. . . . Where was silence? Where the ears to sense it? No, there was neither silence nor sound; naught save ceaseless eternal breath, which knows itself not.

 

“The Chairman:  You see, they, most of them, start with a universal, only it happens to be a negative.

 
Dr. Williams:  I think Mr. Kingsland’s point is this, that while it is a perfectly true principle, yet before the mind is open to receive universals, it must have facts as a basis for the universals, otherwise it could not exist.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Well, mind being a microcosm, I suppose he would have some means of getting to the macrocosm.

 
Dr. Williams:  It seems to me that the two go always hand in hand.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  I touch this thing. Why do I touch it? Because I have a hand. What makes the hand to move? Will power, whatever you like. From where does it come? Go and follow it out in that way, and if you follow from these particulars to your own universals, then after a few times you will be perfectly able to begin and take first the universals, and then having come to something, make your hand the head of it.

 
Dr. Williams:  That is what I say:  you first have to trace your hand and from that you may predict many things; but you must have your facts first. If you begin with a child, you do not begin teaching him as the very first thing some universal fact, because you cannot.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  You see, HPB blames the scientists of today. I instance Herbert Spencer as a man who has got as near the Absolute as any of our modern men, and she is down on him; if a man like he is so far wrong, what are the rest of us to do?

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Shall I tell you, and give you good advice? Try to be a little less conceited, you men of science, that is the way to begin. Try not to think yourselves the only intelligences that have ever been developed in this universe and that all the rest are fools, and that the ancients did not know anything at all, and don’t go and consult what the ancients said, because they study classic very well.

 
How many ideas have I traced in your modern science which have never been acknowledged to their proper source and which were stolen bodily from ancient science?

 
I could write, if they only took one of my articles, in one of your great reviews, I can assure you, and I would put them to shame. I have traced five or six modern inventions which I can trace as easily as you like to the old men of science who existed thousands of years ago.

 
The Chairman:  There is a great deal in Lucretius (Titus Lucretius, 1st Century B.C. Roman poet). Lucretius is full of modern science.

 
Mr. B. Keightley:  I think the practical answer to your question is this: not to deny with quite such dead certain as your modern men do.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  I do not say they could not find universals if they tried to look for them.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Let them be agnostics, but don’t let them be bigots.”

 

H. P. Blavatsky

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