stanza 6, slokas 5-6

Stanza VI, Sloka 5-6
5. At the fourth, the sons are told to create their images. One third refuses – to obey.
The curse is pronounced; they will be born on the fourth suffer and cause suffering; this is the first war.
6. The older wheels rotated downwards and upwards….The mother’s spawn filled the whole. There were battles fought between the Creators and the Destroyers, and battles fought for space; the seed appearing and re-appearing continuously.


“Mr. Old:  I noticed that particularly when you spoke of the Dragons – that is to say, the [   ], the eighth sign of the zodiac (Scorpio), which corresponds to the eighth house of death; and you know eight is a very bad number.

Mr. B. Keightley:  Well! It is all matter, matter, matter.

Mr. Old:  And while you said that, I have no doubt they also noticed it was also the symbol of archaic wisdom.

Mme. Blavatsky:  Well, the “Dragons” are, which I will give you here by and by – all the “Dragons” were the emblems. They called the sons of the “Dragons”, the initiates. In China, also where the “Dragon” is the symbol of power and the symbol of the Imperial family, the “Dragons” are considered very high beings. It is an allegory.

Mr. Old:  I suppose the New Testament assertion is a Gnostic assertion? (Quotes from the Testament. Mem., I could not catch the quotation – BdB).

Mme. Blavatsky:  Most assuredly.

Mr. B. Keightley:  Question 3, page 199:  “The older wheels rotated downward and upward…”  Does the expression “rotated downward and upward” refer to the “outbreathing”, which occupies the first half of any Manvantara, and the “inbreathing”, which takes place in its second half? Or does it refer to the direction of the rotation which takes place about the Laya centres, upon which the wheels are formed?

Mme. Blavatsky:  It refers to neither and to both and so much more, which I cannot give out now. You will have to wait for it. Have patience a little.

Mr. B. Keightley:  Question 4. You say that man must awaken the three “seats” to life and activity. Do you mean by this phrase that the three “seats” have no life and activity on their own planes, i.e., per se, or, merely, that our human consciousness on this plane must be awakened to perceive and reflect their activity?

Mme. Blavatsky:  It refers to what is said in The Secret Doctrine, and very plainly; whatever the three higher “seats” in cosmos may be, the three corresponding higher “seats” in man – whether we call them states or seats of consciousness, or principles – have to be awakened before they can be attuned to the three higher planes in cosmos. And once they are so attuned, the knowledge will {reveal} sufficiently what their sources and fons et origo are. It is knowledge enough.

Besides which, The Secret Doctrine teems with this. And I am not going to answer things that The Secret Doctrine explains. If you who put the questions do not choose to read The Secret Doctrine, I am not going to repeat like a poll parrot, because it is perfectly useless asking me questions that are impossible of explanation.

Ask me questions that are dark then I am perfectly ready and at your service, but not to say things which have been a great deal better put in The Secret Doctrine than I can give you.”

H. P. Blavatsky

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