Stanza VI, Sloka 5
5. At the fourth, the sons are told to create their images. One third refuses – to obey.
The curse is pronounced; they will be born on the fourth suffer and cause suffering; this is the first war.
“Mr. B. Keightley: You speak a good deal about various Gnostic systems; there are one or two points that wanted clearing up a little. Question 13, page 194: If Fetahil, as stated later, represents the host of the Lunar Pitris who created a senseless man, and if he is “a still purer spirit” than Bahak-Zivo, what does the latter correspond to?
Mme. Blavatsky: The Nazarene business is not at all plain, and is full of metaphor, chiefly directed against the God of the Jews, and their opponents. Therefore it is so mixed up that nobody will know which is which. He is represented sometimes as a higher spirit, and sometimes as a lower. Bahak-Zivo corresponds sometimes to Christ, and sometimes to other things.
I have been bringing this in, not at all that you should come and ask me to learn it, because everyone can go and read it in the original, who reads Latin. But why I have quoted it here is, to show that in every system, high or low, the “Secret Doctrine” was repeated, and there were things which were all based on truth. But you need to go out of your way to make me teach you the Nazarene system.
Mr. B. Keightley: Question 14, page 194: “Bahak-Zivo…is ignorant of Orcus.” What does “Orcus” symbolize?
Mme. Blavatsky: Orcus symbolizes many things: Death, Hell; it symbolizes what the Buddhists would call Mara – many, many things. Orcus is a place of Darkness and Desolation, and since Bahak-Zivo was not acquainted with Orcus, that is to say, with the corresponding contrasted pole of life, he could not create beings, because he could not make a finite being. It is just the same as the thing which Siva throws out, which is more necessary than the Prince of Denmark to “Hamlet”.
Mr. B. Keightley: That is all in the questions.
Mr. Old: I was trying to evolve that idea which was generated with me, which you call wisdom. A thought did strike me a short time ago, that was in respect to the numerical basis of a Manvantara, or order of creation. There was the number seven as the root basis of this Manvantara. Do you speak of our limited Manvantara, or the Maha-Manvantara?
Mme. Blavatsky: Of all the Manvantaras that the Hindus speak about. Maybe it is of the solar system only.”
H. P. Blavatsky