5. At the fourth, the sons are told to create their images. One third refuses – to obey.
The curse is pronounced; they will be born on the fourth suffer and cause suffering; this is the first war.
“Mr. B. Keightley: You cannot say a sponge absorbs water consciously, but it absorbs.
Mme. Blavatsky: Yes, it is carried up by the current.
Mr. Mead: In another way that is rather analogous, because it does rotate for some time – for instance, near the rocks.
Mme. Blavatsky: There are no rocks in space.
Mr. Kingsland: That gives us rather a different idea as to the planetary motion – the planets revolving by means of their own inherent force. If anything revolves in that way it must have something to revolve against, so to speak.
Mme. Blavatsky: One is a satellite, and the other an independent entity.
Mr. Kingsland: I mean to say it must be able to pull itself round by something, unless it is set going at the beginning, and goes on until it gradually stops by means of friction or some force acting upon it from outside.
A man cannot lift himself by his own waist belt, and you can hardly conceive of a planet revolving, and continuing to revolve, by means of its own axis.
Mr. B. Keightley: Has it ever occurred to you that the Laya centre is really, if you come to follow it out, the idea of rotary motion, the centre of a vortex.
Mme. Blavatsky: It is.
Mr. Kingsland: This Laya centre does not correspond to the centre of the planet.
Mr. B. Keightley: There is a Laya centre, it is not in three-dimensional space, of course, but it might be the centre of the planet.
Mme. Blavatsky: The Laya centre is the Atman, so to say, the spirit of the Atman.
Mr. Kingsland: It is not a mathematical center of a circle.
Mr. Old: There must be such a mathematical centre, I think, must there not?
Mr. B. Keightley: It must be the centre of rotation of the earth, that is to say, if you locate it anywhere, then of course the Laya centre is not a point in our three dimensional space.
Mme. Blavatsky: It is out of space and time, the real Laya centre.”
H. P. Blavatsky