stanza 3, slokas 10-11

Stanza III
10. Father-Mother spin a web whose upper end is fastened to spirit—the light of the one darkness—and the lower one to its shadowy end, matter; and this web is the universe spun out of the two substances made in one, which is Svâbhâvat.
11. It expands when the breath of fire is upon it; it contracts when the breath of the mother touches it. Then the sons dissociate and scatter, to return into their mother’s bosom at the end of the great day, and re-become one with her; when it is cooling it becomes radiant, and the sons expand and contract through their own selves and hearts; they embrace infinitude.

 
“Dr. Williams:  You speak of heat centres?

 

Mme. Blavatsky: Now, for instance, when I speak of heat centres, they are the centres which in the physical science would be the zero point, the negation. It would be nothing, and yet these are just that, because they are spiritual, because it is spirit.

 
Dr. Williams:  Well, on whatever plane we speak of anything, it does not make any difference; we speak of it because we perceive something that we know; if we don’t perceive it, we have nothing to say about it.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Which changes entirely.

 
Dr. Williams:  Is there anything on the third plane which anyone can perceive, which the occultist will perceive?

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  With his mind’s eye; and then he will need no form and no symbol or objective thing, because he does not see objectively; he sees only the essence and the root of things, and with senses that do not pretend to this plane. Those are the senses that I have been speaking about, when we spoke about dreams.

 
Dr. Williams:  I admitted all the third, that the perception of anything on any plane above matter must proceed on some sense which is higher than matter.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  The word “perceived” is a word which conveys the wrong impression. It is “sensed” and not “perceived”.

 
Dr. Williams:  Do you wish me to understand it is impossible to gain any idea?

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  On the physical plane, no; but if you go on one plane higher, then you will perceive in another way. On the third plane you will “sense” the thing with those senses that you have no idea of on the fourth, and so on, until you come to the last plane where the higher {highest?} adept cannot penetrate.

 
Dr. Williams:  I can perceive things which have no relation to this plane at all; but anything I can perceive, I can predicate something of, but it has no relation to space and time.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Most assuredly it has none, and yet it {is} linked, it is united and linked indissolubly with this plane – that which has no relation to space or time.”

 
H. P. Blavatsky

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