stanza 3, slokas 10-11

Stanza III
10. Father-Mother spin a web whose upper end is fastened to spirit—the light of the one darkness—and the lower one to its shadowy end, matter; and this web is the universe spun out of the two substances made in one, which is Svâbhâvat.
11. It expands when the breath of fire is upon it; it contracts when the breath of the mother touches it. Then the sons dissociate and scatter, to return into their mother’s bosom at the end of the great day, and re-become one with her; when it is cooling it becomes radiant, and the sons expand and contract through their own selves and hearts; they embrace infinitude.

“The President:  Stanza 3, Sloka 10. “Father-Mother spin a web”, etc. (Reads from The Secret Doctrine.)

Mr. A. Keightley:  Question 1. “You state that Spirit and Matter are the opposite ends of the same web; last Thursday you spoke about such opposites as light and darkness, heat and cold, void and space and fullness of all that exists. In what sense are these three pairs of opposites associated with matter and spirit?”

Mme. Blavatsky:  I think in that sense everything in the universe is in association with it, with every spiritual matter, because there is always either one or the other that predominates in every subject that you can think of.

Mr. A. Keightley:  Then do light, heat, and void correspond with matter, darkness, cold, etc.?

Mme. Blavatsky:  What is it, which question do you put now?

Mr. A. Keightley:  The first question.

Mme. Blavatsky:  Pure matter is pure spirit. It cannot be understood even if admitted by our finite intellects. Of course you cannot see other {either} pure matter or spirit, because they are perfectly one in occultism.

The President:  They are the noumena of the opposites.

Mme. Blavatsky:  There is but one thing, call it element, force or god, anything you like, it is always one. This is what occult science teaches; and after differentiation come all and everything that is.

With regard to this question I can only say that neither light nor darkness as optical effects are matter, nor are they spirit, but both are the qualities of ether, the intermediate agent in the manifested universal universe, for ether is dual.

Ether is not as science knows it, but ether, as it really exists – that ether of which the ancient philosophers speak – is dual, because it is the earliest differentiation on our plane of manifestation of consciousness.

It is dual in the objective, and dual as the middle Akasa in the subjective universe. In the former case, it is pure differentiated matter; in the latter, elemental.

In other words spirit becomes objective matter, and objective spirit eludes our physical senses –

Mr. A. Keightley:  Are the other elements beyond ether more differentiated than ether? Are they triple and quadruple?

Mme. Blavatsky:  What {do} you call beyond ether? Ether is universal.

Mr. A. Keightley:  For instance, the five elements are ether, air, fire, water and earth.

Mme. Blavatsky:  The ether which is an element is certainly not the ether that science speaks about.

Mr. A. Keightley:  No, I am not alluding to science in this particular. You stated there are five elements developed in accordance with the races.

Mme. Blavatsky:  Yes. The fifth is not developed yet, that which the ancient Greeks called Zeus, that they called the deity of all. Of course, if they spoke in one sense, it was; if in another sense, it was not. Now, the Zeus of Homer certainly was not Akasa in all his Don Juanic peregrinations.”

H. P. Blavatsky

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