stanza 1, slokas 3-4

STANZA I.

3. UNIVERSAL MIND WAS NOT, FOR THERE WERE NO AH-HI TO CONTAIN IT.

4. THE SEVEN WAYS TO BLISS WERE NOT. THE GREAT CAUSES OF MISERY WERE NOT, FOR THERE WAS NO ONE TO PRODUCE AND GET ENSNARED BY THEM.

“Mr. Kingsland:  The universal mind was in the absolute, but it was cosmic mind that was not.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Yes, but we speak here about manifestation. I cannot go and invent things; I am obliged to translate just as the Stanzas give it in the book.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  That is the manifestation.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Well, let us call it cosmic mind, if you like it better.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  I only think there is a confusion between universal mind and absolute mind.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  If you say universal mind, it is absolute, but if you say cosmic mind, that is another thing.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  Then you can’t say that it was not.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Cosmic ideation was not, but universal mind was.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  Quite so.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  How can I put that it was not? I am obliged to translate as it is, and then to give all the commentaries. I didn’t invent them. If I were inventing it, I might put it otherwise.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  If you say universal mind was not manifested, you get over the difficulty.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Those who have written this do not concern themselves with the manifested universe. This relates to the highest, and does not deal yet with the universal matter, it deals with the universe of ideation of consciousness and so on.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  It deals with the first manifestation.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  You had better send your protest to those who have written this thing, because I can’t help it.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  No, it is the English translation. Do you see what I mean, Harbottle?

 
The President:  I see what you mean.

 
Mr. Mead:  It is the same thing looked upon from different points of view.

 
The President:  I think we are apt to use the word cosmic as applied to the manifested universe in all its forms. This does not touch anything of the sort. This is the first absolute consciousness or non-consciousness, and I think it really does mean that the absolute consciousness could not be that universal mind because it was not to be expressed, it could not be expressed, there was no expression for it. That is what I take to be the meaning of it.

 
Mr. Kingsland:  There was no expression for it; but it was there.

 
The President:  It was there and it was not there.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  Because the Ah-hi were not, to the persons who can conceive of it; since there was nothing and no one to conceive of it, how could it be?

 
You must remember the peculiar mode of expression used by the Easterners. They express it always allegorically, always figuratively. You cannot ask them to express in scientific language which says so much and means so little.”

 

H. P. Blavatsky

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