the key to theosophy…

“Mr. Old:  There is a source of confusion to an occidental mind; just the same with your juxtaposition of the two words Jiva and Prana, which throws everybody into confusion. I mean to say, your repetition of the language.

 
Mr. B. Keightley:  The juxtaposition was sensed, and nobody ever took it up.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  The Brahmans have given it to us, and they all fell on me as to why I permitted Sinnett to do this. Sinnett never asked me my permission, and I did not know until Esoteric Buddhism came out. It is not my fault.

 
Mr. Old:  Oh! No: only, in some parts of The Secret Doctrine it is difficult to tell if Jiva is to be taken on the noumenal plane or on the phenomenal.

 
Mme. Blavatsky:  When you speak about the objective things then it is Jiva. (At least it is Prana). When you speak about the universal life, then it is Jiva.

 
In some schools of philosophy they call it Jiva; the Vedantins will call it Jiva; the Sankhya will never call it that, and the six schools are certainly distinct. That which the Vedantins call Jiva, others will call Prana, and vice versa.

 
Mr. Old:  One conceives of abstract ideas apart from the formula. The formula is the matter or experience; it belongs to Manas.

 
Mr. B. Keightley:  Don’t you conceive that it is the Manas which conceives the abstract ideas? Because, how do they exist, otherwise?

 
Mr. Kingsland:  You cannot conceive of abstract ideas without the experience. That is just my point.”

 
H. P. Blavatsky

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